Comments on Sept Meeting Notes

Rick Waldron waldron.rick at
Thu Sep 26 15:03:55 PDT 2013

On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Allen Wirfs-Brock <allen at>wrote:

> On Sep 26, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Brendan Eich wrote:
> > @ is the new dunder -- dunder at -- dat.
> >
> > Among the no-symbol proposals, I like this best. (GUIDs, shudder.)
> >
> > /be
> I shudder to say this, having just finished my third complete redo of
> Symbols in the ES6 draft, but I also like this proposal a lot.
> I think I had a blind spot about string literals being accepted as methods
> names in object literals and classes.  But this would be a significant
> simplifications that retains almost all the benefits of  Symbols. And it's
> completely polyfillable.
> A couple more thoughts:
> Symbol-keyed property definitions were the primary motivator for "computed
> property names" in object literals and classes.  They could also go away
> for ES6 -- another simplification.
> Perhaps rather than the function conventions for "@" properties , we
> should considerhaving them always be getter properties. But, I haven't yet
> sold myself on either one as being better.
> A negative is that it was decided that concise methods definitions create
> enumerable properties and I don't think we really want these showing up in
> for-in enumerations. Maybe we would want to revisit that decisions or at
> least make an exception for concise methods (or accessors) defined using
> explicit string literal names.

The whole point of making them enumerable was to undo a decision to that
made an exception for concise methods—that applies to properties that were
defined with string literal names (

var o = {
  "method": function() {}

Should behave exactly the same as

var o = {
  "method"() {}

Because existing code will expect this to work (using lodash library as an
example, but it could be any library code that uses for-in):

_.extend(Some.prototype, o);

Which user code expects will result in:

Some.prototype.method === o.method; // true

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