What is the status of Weak References?

Rick Waldron waldron.rick at gmail.com
Thu Jan 31 16:21:15 PST 2013


On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Kevin Gadd <kevin.gadd at gmail.com> wrote:

> A search shows some old discussions of the topic mentioning that they
> might be going in to future versions of the language, etc. But on the
> other hand I've been told in response to this question before that
> TC39 has a general policy against features that allow garbage
> collection to be visible to applications.
>
> There's still a strawman up on the wiki:
> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:weak_references and
> while it appears to be a relatively simple, sane way to expose weak
> references, it looks like the strawman hasn't been touched since late
> 2011. Is that because it's dead? Or was it deprioritized because weak
> references are believed to not be needed by JS application developers?
>
> I ask this because the lack of weak references (or any suitable
> substitute mechanism) comes up regularly when dealing with the
> challenge of porting native apps to JavaScript, and it leads people to
> consider extremely elaborate workarounds just to build working
> applications (like storing *all* their data in a virtual heap backed
> by typed arrays and running their own garbage collector against it).
> If there is really a firm reason why this must be so, so be it, but
> seeing so many people do an end-run around the JS garbage collector
> only to implement their own *in JavaScript* makes me wonder if perhaps
> something is wrong. The presence of WeakMaps makes it clear to me that
> solving this general class of problems is on the table.
>
> People are certainly solving this problem in other JS related contexts:
> https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-weak
> Historically the lack of weak references has resulted in various
> solutions in libraries like jQuery specifically designed to avoid
> cycles being created between event listeners and DOM objects. Many of
> these solutions are error-prone and require manual breaking of cycles.
>

Indeed! In the spirit of Erik Arvidsson's response above, I personally
reached out to Nate on two separate occasions asking for a document of the
semantics and an implementation experience write up... still waiting, but
I'm sure he's a busy guy.

Rick



>
> To make a controversial statement, I would suggest that there are some
> problems that cannot be solved in JavaScript unless it has an
> approximation of weak references. I would love to be proven wrong here
> because then I can use whatever your crazy computer science
> alternative is. :D
>
> Thanks,
> -kg
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