Adding [[Invoke]] to address issues with methods called on Proxies

Brandon Benvie brandon at
Tue Jan 29 16:46:20 PST 2013

I agree with you. I think I worded poorly what I was trying to express.
Proxies were the catalyst for the above refactorings, which I think were
beneficial in their own right in clarifying the spec. The complexity
existed as an implied functionality of the spec. GetP and SetP clarified it
by making it explicit. I believe CallProperty does the same.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Tom Van Cutsem < at> wrote:

> Hi,
> 2013/1/29 Brandon Benvie <brandon at>
>> Responding in this thread since it's a more appropriate place.
>> 1.) It complicates the object model, in that it adds a new internal
>> method to objects, but it also clarifies it. It falls under the same
>> category as [[GetP]] and [[SetP]]: they complicate the object model, but
>> they also clarify it and they are only observable to Proxies. All three are
>> only observable to Proxies.
> I disagree:
> By calling Reflect.get(target, name, receiver) you can now call the
> [[GetP]] internal method of a normal target object and provide your own
> |this| binding, allowing you to properly forward property access when
> target[name] is an accessor. No proxies in sight.
>> Proxies are the thing that ultimately complicates the object model and
>> these are fallout from it, but most of us agree that Proxies are worth it.
> I think this is a strange way of characterizing proxies. The object model
> is there, and proxies merely expose it to JS programmers. Proxies aren't
> themselves supposed to complicate the object model further.
> Of course, we had to do a lot of refactoring to the existing object model
> (cf. the introduction of [[GetP]]/[[SetP]] because exposing the ES5.1
> object model directly turned out to be painful (cf. the old
> getPropertyDescriptor trap exposing [[GetProperty]]).
> The introduction of [[Invoke]] would be a similar such refactoring. As you
> note yourself: the idea of invoking a method is already present in the
> spec, it's just not made explicit.
> Cheers,
> Tom
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