direct_proxies "problem"

Erik Arvidsson erik.arvidsson at
Tue Jan 8 13:56:48 PST 2013

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Andrea Giammarchi
<andrea.giammarchi at> wrote:
> so you are saying that Object.observe() does not suffer these problems ? Or
> is just much simpler than Proxies ? ( yeah, I know, I guess both ... )

Object.observe is different, it works on at [[Get]], [[Put]],
[[DefineProperty]] level.

In WebKit/V8, the DOM object is represented by a normal JS object with
has some internal pointers to the C++ object it wraps. Simply speaking
the implementation does not know how to unwrap a proxy to the
underlying C++ object.

more below

> On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage at> wrote:
>> It can potentially be solved by efforts like moving the DOM into JS,
>> which browsers are pursuing to various degrees, but it's a hard
>> problem on the impl side.  Meanwhile, there is unforgeable magic
>> behind DOM objects, and nothing we can really do about it.

We could potentially switch from magic to private symbols but DOM
bindings are highly optimized and I don't think we could afford making
these use symbols. (Right now the pointer is stored at a statically
know offset of the js object.)


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