Comments on Meeting Notes

Brendan Eich brendan at
Tue Dec 4 17:46:28 PST 2012

Could you specify more? If you mean SunSpider (2007) or V8/Octane, I 
have some well-known bones to pick. These have sucked up a lot (not all) 
of the oxygen available for the brain cells developers and casually 
interested parties use to track "JS performance", but due to a 
who's-on-first effect, not just because "benchmarks".

IOW, good luck making new strict-mode benchmarks that displace these.

Also, good luck getting SunSpider or V8/Octane to enable "use strict"! 
Paging Dr. Rossberg on the latter :-P.


Mark S. Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Brendan Eich<brendan at>  wrote:
>> Benchmarks won't cut it if there's no organic developer pressure.
> That is not the behavior I've observed in response to benchmarks,
> either among JS implementors, or in the industry as a whole. Developer
> pressure and actual usage patterns *should* trump benchmarks. What
> I've generally seen is the opposite.
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