Alternative proposal to privateName.public

David Bruant bruant.d at
Mon Dec 26 07:54:41 PST 2011

Le 26/12/2011 16:37, Erik Corry a écrit :
> 2011/12/26 David Bruant <bruant.d at>:
>> Le 26/12/2011 15:56, Erik Corry a écrit :
>>> I don't see how you need anything new in the language to support unique names.
>>> var newUniqueName = (function() {
>>>   var counter = 0;
>>>   return function () {
>>>     return "__uniquename__" + counter++;
>>>   };
>>> })();
>> I think that in the proposal, the definition of "unique" is "unique
>> across the program".
>> And this can't be achieved in JavaScript since no program can know, at a
>> given time, which names are used and which are not. It also cannot know
>> which names will be generated (this last part is undecidable anyway).
> This can be fixed by convention.  As long as there is only one
> uniqueName function then the names it makes will be unique.  To ensure
> there is only one it can be installed like so:
> if (!Object.newUniqueName) Object.newUniqueName = (...  // See above.
> The __uniqueName__ string above can be replaced with something like
> __i_have_read_and_abide_by_the_unique_name_convention__
I does not prevent conflicts. Only the likelyhood of conflicts since the
name can be forged by other means than output of your function. In some
applications it will be fine enough. In some others it won't.

> If that seems onerous to you consider whether it is really harder than
> modifying the VM and then waiting 10 years for your change to be
> universally available.
I get your point, but 10 years is still better than never. Hopefully,
we'll still be alive to see it in browsers ;-)

Though, since you work on V8 and that node.js updates regularly and
aligns with new V8 versions, it's likely that people will be able to use
unique names long before 10 years after you ship the change.

On a side note, I have seen a talk where someone mentionned that the
"use the same JavaScript in server and client" was partially bullshit,
because Node has support for some ES5 features that legacy web browsers
can't even emuate.


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