Ye olde arguments argument (was: Topic list - pending changes and issues for the ES3.1 spec)

Jorge Chamorro jorge at
Mon Sep 15 14:48:58 PDT 2008

El 15/09/2008, a las 23:23, Brendan Eich escribió:

> On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:13 PM, Jorge Chamorro wrote:
>> El 15/09/2008, a las 22:32, Jon Zeppieri escribió:
>>>> IOW, could we have instead a ('standalone') 'callee' property (that
>>>> isn't to be innocently passed on) ?
>>> a property of what?
>> The activation object of the execution context.
> I've been there, done that. Long ago, when crazy Smalltalk-ish  
> reflection of execution state was in vogue, SpiderMonkey grew magic  
> reflective properties (ugly names, such as __caller__). The compiler  
> would make functions enclosing such things always have an activation  
> object (real implementations must optimize away activation objects  
> for performance -- there's no other way).
> Besides violating Tennent's Correspondence Principle, this was an  
> evil mess to implement correctly (consider all the optimizations  
> that had to be undone). It's not worth it, especially if you want  
> just callee (use a named function expression, or bind an outer  
> lexical name) or caller (stack inspection should be served by a  
> carefully designed API on the side -- "mirror" reflection, not an  
> API on activation objects).
> I agree with Mark about callee. Just say no, if we can wean folks  
> off of it.
> Stack backtracing deserves a separate thread.
> /be

Ok ok, never mind. After all if I don't want to name an unnamed  
(recursive) f() I can still write something like :

(foo= function () { }).call(foo);


but (function () { callee() })() looked much better...


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