Proposed change to typeof

Maciej Stachowiak mjs at
Thu Nov 6 06:46:14 PST 2008

Hi Mark,

On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Mark S. Miller wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs at>  
> wrote:
> ES3.1 is premised on accepting these dynamics, being originally  
> conceived as "ES3 + reality".
> I have heard this repeated many times. I'm not sure where this comes  
> from, but that has never been the sole conception of ES3.1 by the  
> people advocating it or working on it.

I'm not sure what your goal is in establishing disagreement. Note, I  
said "originally conceived", meaning I accept that it has now expanded  
to encompass a limited set of brand new features as well. My point was  
to stress that reality is and always has been a goal, not that other  
things aren't. I hope you do not mean to deny that reality is a goal  
at all.

Like Brendan, I recall ES3.1 advocates using this phrasing at the  
January 2008 meeting. At the time, much less was on the table in terms  
of object model extensions, and IBM's vote had not yet been bought by  
adding decimal. That doesn't mean the scope can't change. After all,  
we are all ES3.1 advocates now, and we all agree to some modest  

> So can we please now put this rumor to rest? Thanks.

I heard this phrasing first hand from some of the core ES3.1 people at  
the time. I don't think it is rumor-mongering to repeat it,  
particularly in the past tense. If the phrase did not really line up  
with the goals of the core ES3.1 group even then, the fault is not mine.


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