How to escape implicit 'with (this)' of a method body

Garrett Smith dhtmlkitchen at
Fri Aug 1 14:43:53 PDT 2008

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs at> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 2008, at 5:24 AM, Dave Herman wrote:
>>> We should take this problem seriously. ...
>>> Dynamic scope is very bad.
>> Specifically:
>> - Classes are supposed to provide integrity, but dynamic scope makes
>> the
>> internals of code brittle; any variable reference inside the
>> implementation could be subverted by the seemingly innocuous insertion
>> of a property.
>> - Dynamic dispatch has a reasonably understandable cost model, but
>> only
>> if it's confined to explicit property references. With dynamic scope,
>> any variable reference could potentially be very expensive.
>> - Generally, code within a `with' block is brittle and hard to
>> understand, and as Tucker says, the implicit `this.' means that all
>> code
>> inside class methods is within a `with' block... this means that all
>> code inside class methods is brittle!
>> - In the past, this has been enough for many programmers to deprecate
>> all use of `with' -- we should certainly hope to avoid the same
>> happening for classes.
> I'm not sure of the benefits on the whole of implicit 'this' for class
> methods, but isn't it plausible to apply it only to static properties
> and not dynamically inserted ones,

What is dynamically inserted? I guess would mean properties added to
an instance of a non-sealed class.

> so all references continue to be
> bound at compile time and this sort of brittleness does not come up?

I think I remember discussion that 'this' in a static context was not valid.

If 'this' in a static context points to the class itself, it allows
for the possibility of the class having a static method, with a
private constructor and a public getInstance method with code
something like:

>> class E { static function f(){ return new this; } }
>> E.f()
[object E]

Works in the RI.

But I there was apparently a reason that that was not good, so that is a bug.


> Regards,
> Maciej

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