chrispi at opera.com
Tue Oct 30 06:45:14 PDT 2007
Ric Johnson wrote:
> I think the MAIN problem is not technical, but rather political:
Clearly. Hence the lack of substantive argument against the proposal
and the recurring issue of the *name* of the language.
> When I went to the Ajax Expereince, several people commented that
> 1) There was a 'deal' between Adobe and Mozilla
And Opera? Yes, I am maybe the fourth or fifth person to point this
out, but perhaps if enough people say it, this can be the last time we
have to deal with this point.
There is no deal, no secret coalition. The ES4 work has been open, and
has been the collaboration of more than two companies, frequently
competitors. I think our motivations should be clear: to improve the
web. We have do a fair amount of in-house ecmascript development, and
ES4-as-proposed is simply a stronger, better language. As Jeff so aptly
put it, "a rising tide lifts all boats".
And any concerns about ES4 destabilizing the web are either disingenuous
or simply ignorant: no one is more concerned about breaking the web
than a minority browser vendor. :) The ES4 work has been both about
increasing the programming-in-the-large tools to the programmer, as well
as increasing implementation compatibility. We run the reference
implementation against ES3 test suites to ensure backwards
compatibility. When we say "it's backwards compatible", this isn't a
guess or a hope.
We can't bet Opera's future on guess or a hope.
If you want to continue programming is ES3, and leveraging existing ES3
code, that will be fine. But for some ecmascript developers, it just
isn't enough for the platform the web has become.
> 2) There was not consensus on the new features, but they are being pushed
> through anyway
There has always been a clear majority. There was never unanimous
agreement, nor is that necessary. When you are voted down 8-to-3, to
say "there was no censensus" is to say "I will not accept that I did not
get my way". In my opinion, such an attitude is disrespectful to the
other members of the committee (personally) and to the standards process
(professionally). I would be ashamed if I conducted myself in such a
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