Es4-discuss Digest, Vol 8, Issue 44

Brendan Eich brendan at
Fri Nov 2 15:53:58 PDT 2007

On Nov 2, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Yuh-Ruey Chen wrote:

> Lastly, all this accusations concerning intentions need to stop.

In the absence of technical arguments, these are inevitable.

> Mozilla, this concerns you too - I find that saying you won't let big
> bully MS block ES4 is somewhat hypocritical, considering that the SVG
> 1.2 committee did something similar to you guys (make no mistake, I'm
> not accusing anyone and I hope this is the last time SVG is  
> mentioned on
> this mailing list).

If you mean SVG Tiny 1.2 violating W3C process rules by skipping from  
Working Draft to Candidate Recommendation without addressing all  
received technical objections, there's no comparison. We working on  
ES4 could use some specific technical objections from the Ecma  
members who oppose ES4. I promise we wouldn't ignore any before  
moving ES4 to the final stage of Ecma standardization (there is no CR  
analogue in Ecma).

Hey, you brought this up -- no fair doing a drive-by about SVG while  
I'm in earshot! :-)

> In any case, hypocritical or not, all these
> accusations are not constructive at all. Responding to accusations  
> with
> more accusations is plain sophomoric in my book. Please, I have enough
> of my political bullshit from the news - I don't expect that here.

If these are inevitable because technical objections haven't been  
made, that tells you something important. The politics are overriding  
technical considerations. Act accordingly, but please, don't assume  
there is a technical fix to a political problem. Forcing one by a  
bartering process will only make a Franken-standard.


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