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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Matt,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for indicating the bug report. I suspected someone else would have picked it up, but it’s good to know they have and your looking into solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray">Will Spratt<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray">IT Science Support Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:gray">Tel: 01904 46 2631</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Enterprise <enterprise-bounces@mozilla.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Howell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 25 October 2019 16:28<br>
<b>To:</b> Gustafsson Martin (SEIT) <Martin.Gustafsson@hm.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mozilla.org <enterprise@mozilla.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox msi detection in SCCM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Installer engineer here. We have <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1505436">
bug 1505436</a> on file for this problem. This was a known limitation of the design of our MSI, but I didn't realize how big of a problem it would be in practice. I would like to do something about it, but there's complications, not all of which I know how
to get around, that's why this wasn't done in the first place; there are a couple of comments on the bug (numbers 8 and 17) that I wrote to explain what some of those complications are.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 7:41 AM Gustafsson Martin (SEIT) <<a href="mailto:Martin.Gustafsson@hm.com">Martin.Gustafsson@hm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">In that case, I have some quick suggestions for the MSI “wrapper” deployment.</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="gmail-m483501730892670285msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Turn off automatic updates for the MSI package? Use case for the big majority of MSI installations would be provisioning through SCCM/Intune or other deployment toolset. The user in these deployment scenarios seldomly have local admin access
on the system anyway so the automatic update would most likely be iffy.</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="gmail-m483501730892670285msolistparagraph" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span lang="EN-US">Run the helper.exe uninstall as a CustomAction in the uninstall segment.</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Enterprise <<a href="mailto:enterprise-bounces@mozilla.org" target="_blank">enterprise-bounces@mozilla.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Kaply<br>
<b>Sent:</b> den 25 oktober 2019 15:11<br>
<b>To:</b> Alexandre GAUVRIT <<a href="mailto:agauvrit@tranquil.it" target="_blank">agauvrit@tranquil.it</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mozilla.org <<a href="mailto:enterprise@mozilla.org" target="_blank">enterprise@mozilla.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox msi detection in SCCM</span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="SV"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV">It's not that we don't care it's that using a real MSI won't update properly using our infrastructure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV">It's simply not something we can do right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV">Mike Kaply<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV">On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 7:17 AM Alexandre GAUVRIT <<a href="mailto:agauvrit@tranquil.it" target="_blank">agauvrit@tranquil.it</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="SV">All these packaging problems were addressed to Mozilla teams many month ago, they just don't care :
<a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511835" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1511835</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="SV">Don't go with MSI right now, stick to *.exe, since they're not able to release correctly formed packages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="SV">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span lang="SV">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="SV">Le 25/10/2019 à 13:29, Timo Pietilä a écrit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="SV">If it were a proper .msi and not .exe wrapper all those problems could go away. However I prefer .exe -wrapper that doesn't leave any trace of itself behind than something
that pollutes computer with .msi reg entries and leaves them behind when user decides to uninstall program using helper.exe (or ARP that uses helper.exe instead of msiexec /x).
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So for all the evils not leaving any trace of it being .msi is the lesser evil IMO.
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Timo Pietilä <br>
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On 25.10.2019 13.24, Gage, John wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="SV">I'm with you on that, Will - I don't feel that this should be "expected behavior" or "by design" for the MSI binaries. The allure of using MSIs is for classic win32 app
consistency and convenience that "msiexec" brings for both installation and uninstallation by using the product code GUID. At the moment, the uninstaller uses "helper.exe", so I assume that switching to "msiexec /x" would require some work to get it performing
the same actions as what "helper.exe" does now. <br>
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Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 6:13 AM <br>
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Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox msi detection in SCCM <br>
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Thank for the quick response, Timo and John, <br>
<br>
I've had .msi installers in the past that barely did more than populate the application name. I'm assuming this aspect does something else, and populating the detection method is a side-effect... otherwise I fail to see the point.
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To be honest, if I have to populate the setting manually, I might just go back to the .exe method. Is there any benefit to using the .msi I'm not seeing?
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Regards <br>
<br>
Will <br>
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From: Enterprise <a href="mailto:enterprise-bounces@mozilla.org" target="_blank">
<enterprise-bounces@mozilla.org></a> On Behalf Of Gage, John <br>
Sent: 25 October 2019 10:50 <br>
To: <a href="mailto:enterprise@mozilla.org" target="_blank">enterprise@mozilla.org</a>
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Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox msi detection in SCCM <br>
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Just adding confirmation to Timo's comments that using the MSI GUID will not work.
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Will, I use SCCM heavily, and for my Firefox ESR Application's "Detection Method", I use the following "Detection Rule" instead of the MSI GUID:
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Setting Type: Registry <br>
Hive: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE <br>
Key: SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\Mozilla Firefox 68.2.0 ESR (x64 en-US)
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Value: DisplayVersion <br>
Data Type: String <br>
Radio Button selection: "This registry setting must exist on the target system to indicate presence of this application"
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There are many other detection method variants that will work; just keep in mind that if Mozilla ever changes the reg key naming scheme to not include the version and/or lang, this detection method could break. At that point you can just use the other radio
button selection of "This registry setting must satisfy the following rule to indicate the presence of this application" and set the Operator to "Contains" and whatever the version is in the "Value" field.
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<enterprise-bounces@mozilla.org></a> On Behalf Of Timo Pietilä <br>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2019 5:28 AM <br>
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Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Firefox msi detection in SCCM <br>
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AFAIK that is by design. That msi is exe-wrapper and after install there is no trace that it was installed using .msi. You can't uninstall it using msiexec /x {productcode} either.
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You need to treat it like if it were installed using .exe. <br>
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Timo Pietilä <br>
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On 25.10.2019 11.52, William Spratt wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="SV">Hi All,
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So with the 68.2 ESR release, I thought I'd try pushing it out with <br>
the new .msi installer. <br>
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We use SCCM to push out Firefox, and this has worked fine with the <br>
.exe versions, manually configuring SCCM to check the file version of <br>
"C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" to verify the <br>
install/update was successful. When we import the 68.2 .msi into SCCM, <br>
it does handy things like automatically populate the install detection <br>
method to check for {1294A4C5-9977-480F-9497-C0EA1E630130} in the msi <br>
directory. Unfortunately, while the Firefox .msi runs successfully, <br>
installing/updating to 68.2, it doesn't detect that reference in the <br>
.msi directory. <br>
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Has anyone else experienced this? Should I log a bug report? <br>
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Regards <br>
<br>
Will <br>
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