Improving age verification

Clint Talbert ctalbert at mozilla.com
Wed Aug 20 05:51:14 PDT 2014


On 8/19/2014 14:15, Greg Norcie wrote:
>
> I understand there's limited developer resources, but frankly, this 
> seems like pretty minor fix. If the user is in the magic year, ask for 
> a full birthdate. And we wouldn't even need to retain the data right? 
> Just that the verification passed? So it's not like there is a privacy 
> issue.  I think we should think about the signal we are sending to the 
> community if we leave this bug open. Do we want to tell an already 
> disenfranchised group we don't care about them?
+1. Why not go with 3a? Is there any BHAG for how much work it is?
Just my two cents,
Clint
> -- 
> Greg Norcie
>
> On 8/19/14, 1:20 PM, Edwin Wong wrote:
>> Sorry - I was quick to the punch there... That was in reference to 
>> solution #3 or #3a.
>>
>> I think if we're going 'improve' age verification, we need to support 
>> the exact dates for 13 year old.  I'd choose the least amount of work 
>> possible to support exact age verification but with no impact on 
>> users over 13.
>>
>> -edwin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Edwin Wong" <edwong at mozilla.com>
>> To: "Nick Alexander" <nalexander at mozilla.com>
>> Cc: dev-fxacct at mozilla.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:16:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification
>>
>> At first I thought the same... but the MM/DD/YYYY picker ONLY 
>> displays if you pick the year that says you're 12 or 13.  If you are 
>> over 13, you will never see this date picker/form fields.
>>
>> -edwin
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nick Alexander" <nalexander at mozilla.com>
>> To: dev-fxacct at mozilla.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:34:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification
>>
>> On 2014-08-19, 10:25 AM, Ryan Feeley wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Currently our sign-up form makes users feel older (born 1990 or 
>>> earlier?), and excludes some kids born in the magic year: 
>>> https://accounts.firefox.com/signup
>>>
>>> Finally… here are three proposals to improve our age verification:
>>> https://www.lucidchart.com/documents/view/9a25eda5-f03d-46c0-80bf-756cd17da7c3 
>>>
>>>
>>> Remember that The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 
>>> (COPPA) is a United States federal law that requires that we use a 
>>> “neutral" age verification mechanism.
>>>
>>> I believe option #1 and #2 are neutral, but I’ll require legal input 
>>> for #3.
>>>
>>> Which do you prefer: #1, #2, #3, #3a or leave it the same?
>>
>> Entering YMD (#1) on mobile is out of the question. Unbelievably
>> terrible with keyboards, Swype, auto-complete, etc.
>>
>> I could be convinced that #2 without the day field (what do we care?
>> round!) is worth it.  But maybe we just go for a larger year range.
>>
>> #3 is a lot of effort for a really small win.  In general, my political
>> features are not unduly ruffled by denying folks in the cusp year 
>> access.
>>
>> Nick
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